Curse

Sekkira · Oct 26, 2005, 12:03 PM // 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantus

If you are not able to control your anger and stick to reasonable manners you shouldn't play online games...

You're a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing dick face, Fantus.

I said that while smiling with no anger behind it. Can't handle some profane words of english? Ragequit life.

Nightwish · Oct 26, 2005, 12:33 PM // 12:33

People with bad manners usually are:

1.) Too young to know otherwise
2.) Not young anymore but suffers from a harsh upbringing
3.) Mixed with the wrong crowd
4.) Or perhaps just have inborn bitterness
5.) Or maybe too stressed out with life to care anymore

p/s. Oh yea, I used to be no.1 but not anymore

Sekkira · Oct 26, 2005, 12:38 PM // 12:38

You forgot 6.) Australian and do it because they can.

coolsti · Oct 26, 2005, 12:38 PM // 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sekkira

You're a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing dick face, Fantus.

I said that while smiling with no anger behind it. Can't handle some profane words of english? Ragequit life.

Uh, dunno about you, but my PC here has no image of you smiling. So I for one can't tell if your nice quote was made in jest or in anger. If made in jest, then fine, as long as the target person is aware of that and is, despite it being in jest, not offended by it. But that is just the point: writing something profane in a chat message to another player without making it perfectly clear that the comment is made in jest is wrong. Do it to me, and I will do my best to IWAY in my own way ;-)

Charcoal Ann · Oct 26, 2005, 01:11 PM // 13:11

the 'hate' directed towards Europeans by americans is done at their own risk. quite often i'm in a group of 8 and maybe as many as 4 are europeans. the presence of just a few europeans in american ToA while europe has favor does wonders for the swearing.

toastgodsupreme · Oct 26, 2005, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolsti

Uh, dunno about you, but my PC here has no image of you smiling. So I for one can't tell if your nice quote was made in jest or in anger. If made in jest, then fine, as long as the target person is aware of that and is, despite it being in jest, not offended by it. But that is just the point: writing something profane in a chat message to another player without making it perfectly clear that the comment is made in jest is wrong. Do it to me, and I will do my best to IWAY in my own way ;-)

True, I thought he was serious too.

It's always in PvP/HoH/GvG that the rude kids come out for.

Things like "RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing n00bs, come back when you learn to play".

There's just no reason for it. Oh well. Just report'em.

Snowman · Oct 26, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lews

Why are people so vulgar in Guild Wars?

Its not guildwars its human nature, every game has it.. I dont know any game I have played for the past 20 years where this wasnt a problem at some point.

in fact, its whole point is to provoke a response.. I'd say someone posting a complaint about it (like you have) would make it all the more hilarious for them.

just ignore it

Epinephrine · Oct 26, 2005, 03:01 PM // 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cymmina

Swearing is one thing. What I can't stand are the racist, hateful comments that are directed towards European and Korean players by the American community for no good reason.

Way to point fingers. I've been called a son of a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO by a brazillian player (in portugese) and likewise addressed as RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO and various other terms by French players, sworn at no doubt by english speaking Europeans, though I wouldn't know if they were Euro without them calling me by obscure slang, and as a "----ing americano" and so on. I don't read Korean, but I bet they've called me similar things.

And I'm not even american... so they weren't even right. EVERYONE is rude. Don't point at the americans, the other countries are just as bad. I too find the racism/nationalism repugnant, yet it flows both ways. Just report every single one of them. Don't tolerate it.

MSecorsky · Oct 26, 2005, 03:05 PM // 15:05

As long as the computer provided anonymity, people will be far ruder, more vulgar and generally make greater asses of themselves then they would in real life. The degree of this is inversely proportional to the level of maturity the individual contains.

kawaii_bat · Oct 26, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daegul Mistweaver

Alright, let's look at varieties of rude for a moment.

1) Offensive character names - The filter for character name submission needs some work here. Being as there is no way to blot out a character name, the solution here is to report; Anet is fairly good on follow-thru here.

2) Racist or obscene commentary that involves no cursing - Tends to be the product of "aged" teenage angst. Involves some thought to produce; hence, should know better. No way to filter in volume with a 10-limit ignore list; solution is report.

3) Foul language - If directed in a hostile manner, as the OP's screenshot portrays (see the final line of chat), is usually the product of young teens whos' thought-before-action % lies somewhere near the offender's age. If non-hostile, usually a side-effect of good-natured male posturing; and while offensive to some, is not intended to offend. In either case the solution here is to use the chat filter; this is what the chat filter is there for, and to report items which could be solved via the filter is a waste of Anet time and resources. Obviously, conscious effort to circumvent the filter (i.e. C U R S E), should fall more into catagory 2 and be handled accordingly.

4) Use of character e-motes to mimic sexual acts. If this is something observed as something others are engaged in, it's basically relegated to making out in public; the clothes are on so things aren't going to go much farther than as is deserving of a headshake. Now, if these behaviours are being performed on your character in an agressive and unwanted manner (meaning you move, they follow and repeat continually); then you have reportable malicious behaviour (providing Anet with visual proof is going to be rather more involved than a single screenshot).

That's the breakdown as I see it; feel free to expand if I've missed anything. Now, I have a problem with item #3; or, more specifically, people who work themselves into a self-righteous (yes, I'm well aware of my spelling inadequecies, see? I'm horrible) fury and storm off to the forums to rattle their sabers with offended zeal.

The filter function is there. You (the offended) are bright enough to march yourselves here to post; therefore you are intelligent enough to make use of said filter. Obviously you have made a conscious choice not to use it. Why? Are you addicted to self-pity and set off here to have a good cry and bask in the consolation provided? Or are you the more malicious sort trying to rally consensus that you might outst people who fail to conform to your view of right and proper? If you find yourself filling out the submission to report someone in catagory 3; seriously, get over yourself and use the damn filter.

I love you man! T_T <(*Sniff*)
Very well said

You guys shouldn't even bother reacting to people who swear at you.
I mean this is probably a guy sitting in front of his keyboard/computer eating cheetos typing obscenities. <--- Just think about that and it won't bother you anymore.

You're the only person who can make *yourself* become upset. No one else.

Fantus · Oct 26, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sekkira

You're a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing dick face, Fantus.

I said that while smiling with no anger behind it. Can't handle some profane words of english? Ragequit life.

In this case I could take it out of context that it was a way of being sarcastic. I have no problem with that, if this answers your question. In real life I would be able to see your face and could tell if you meant it as a jest or if you did it to insult me. Unfortunately it's hard to tell when you don't see the person, only the typing. If you said above things to me in game it would have assured you a place on my ignore list and probably a suspension on your account because I would have reported you to A-net. Besides I am perfectly sure that most profanity I saw in GW wasn't meant as a cheerful jest. Most people aren't even able to use profanity in a way that it's funny.

Oct 26, 2005, 03:27 PM // 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lews

Why are people so vulgar in Guild Wars? Such as today in tombs: [Link removed by Savio]
What is up with this? why wont people just be nice?

Can someone help me?

This guy asks why was my guildie so vulgar? Here is the reason.

[Image removed by Savio]

As you can see [name edited] only says to them 1 insult after they insulted us with every work in the book a few nights ago after they got beat.

kawaii_bat · Oct 26, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resin

This guy asks why was my guildie so vulgar? Here is the reason.

As you can see R I N only says to them 1 insult after they insulted us with every work in the book a few nights ago after they got beat.

Count he says 2 insults:

Or you guys just blow
Go cry to your mama

Just because one has an obscenity and the other no, doesn't mean both aren't insults.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantus

In this case I could take it out of context that it was a way of being sarcastic. I have no problem with that, if this answers your question. In real life I would be able to see your face and could tell if you meant it as a jest or if you did it to insult me. Unfortunately it's hard to tell when you don't see the person, only the typing. If you said above things to me in game it would have assured you a place on my ignore list and probably a suspension on your account because I would have reported you to A-net. Besides I am perfectly sure that most profanity I saw in GW wasn't meant as a cheerful jest. Most people aren't even able to use profanity in a way that it's funny.

Most people swear and use profanity for no reason.
Most of them don't mean it and just say it to be cool.

And most importantly:
Most of them will actually say it just to see who bites back. *That's* when they start having fun.

Be smart: Ignore and stop biting back.

Oct 26, 2005, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by kawaii_bat

Count he says 2 insults:

Or you guys just blow

Go cry to your mama

I'm talking about the pic that Lews posted.

pindun · Oct 26, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

I am a Moa Bird. For me playing with honour and treating oponents with respect are the very first priorities. I like Moa Birds because they are always ready with a friendly hello to the other team and, win or lose, a friendly parting comment. We play competitively (not ultra-competitively) and rarely allow the heat of battle cause us to say or do stupid things.

I dont really care what the others said. They are responsible for their words and actions. But I think the original posting was way out of line. Posting a short except of a conversation without showing the context is wrong.

Its unfortunate that Rin allowed himself to be provoked. But really, who amongst us has not been provoked by the behaviour of others in this game.

Please dont judge Moa Birds on the strength of the original post. I think if you meet us in game you will find us friendly, honourable and respectful.

Cheers,
wei

<Wei Han>

Lasareth · Oct 26, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by pindun

I am a Moa Bird. For me playing with honour and treating oponents with respect are the very first priorities. I like Moa Birds because they are always ready with a friendly hello to the other team and, win or lose, a friendly parting comment. We play competitively (not ultra-competitively) and rarely allow the heat of battle cause us to say or do stupid things.

I dont really care what the others said. They are responsible for their words and actions. But I think the original posting was way out of line. Posting a short except of a conversation without showing the context.

Its unfortunate that Rin allowed himself to be provoked. But really, who amongst us has not been provoked by the behaviour of others in this game.

Please dont judge Moa Birds on the strength of the original post. I think if you meet us in game you will find us friendly, honourable and respectful.

Cheers,
wei

<Wei Han>

I'm not going to target one specific guild, as I'm not knowledgable about who's who in GW, but I will say that the actions of the members do reflect upon the guild they're in, it's inevitable. If one person purveys a bad image, then it will reflect poorly on the whole guild, especially if that person keeps saying things.

Oblivion Final · Oct 26, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Quote:

I'm talking about the pic that Lews posted.

No, he is right. Look at the OPs picture. Zoom in on it, if you have to. The guy who said F*** off is the same individual in the second set of posted pictures. Seems to me that this individual has a serious ego trip goin on.

EternalTempest · Oct 26, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daegul Mistweaver

Alright, let's look at varieties of rude for a moment.

1) Offensive character names - The filter for character name submission needs some work here. Being as there is no way to blot out a character name, the solution here is to report; Anet is fairly good on follow-thru here.

2) Racist or obscene commentary that involves no cursing - Tends to be the product of "aged" teenage angst. Involves some thought to produce; hence, should know better. No way to filter in volume with a 10-limit ignore list; solution is report.

3) Foul language - If directed in a hostile manner, as the OP's screenshot portrays (see the final line of chat), is usually the product of young teens whos' thought-before-action % lies somewhere near the offender's age. If non-hostile, usually a side-effect of good-natured male posturing; and while offensive to some, is not intended to offend. In either case the solution here is to use the chat filter; this is what the chat filter is there for, and to report items which could be solved via the filter is a waste of Anet time and resources. Obviously, conscious effort to circumvent the filter (i.e. C U R S E), should fall more into catagory 2 and be handled accordingly.

4) Use of character e-motes to mimic sexual acts. If this is something observed as something others are engaged in, it's basically relegated to making out in public; the clothes are on so things aren't going to go much farther than as is deserving of a headshake. Now, if these behaviours are being performed on your character in an agressive and unwanted manner (meaning you move, they follow and repeat continually); then you have reportable malicious behaviour (providing Anet with visual proof is going to be rather more involved than a single screenshot).

That's the breakdown as I see it; feel free to expand if I've missed anything. Now, I have a problem with item #3; or, more specifically, people who work themselves into a self-righteous (yes, I'm well aware of my spelling inadequecies, see? I'm horrible) fury and storm off to the forums to rattle their sabers with offended zeal.

The filter function is there. You (the offended) are bright enough to march yourselves here to post; therefore you are intelligent enough to make use of said filter. Obviously you have made a conscious choice not to use it. Why? Are you addicted to self-pity and set off here to have a good cry and bask in the consolation provided? Or are you the more malicious sort trying to rally consensus that you might outst people who fail to conform to your view of right and proper? If you find yourself filling out the submission to report someone in catagory 3; seriously, get over yourself and use the damn filter.

You are so dead on. I agree with #2 (had to report with a non stop duo spamming non-stop racial to rattle us with some really bad content and it was very directed).

I am strongly agree with #3, i have my spam filter on, if some one is cursing as part of the "normal" langage it doesn't bother unless it's "direct" at people.
I've had someone that cursed up a storm but his spelling is so bad the chat did not stop one word but since it was "everyday" language it doesn't bother me.

Mercury Angel · Oct 26, 2005, 05:35 PM // 17:35

This is, of course, why screenshots aren't supposed to have names or guilds (particularly in complaints or scamming ones).

Eventually, most people that actually care simply turn off talk when it's not needed. Your friends can speak to you in PM's, your guild has a seperate guild chat, about the only time you need it on is when forming teams not made up from your guild+friends.

Between racist/hate speech, obsecenities, and actual vulgarity (such as the few rare instances of near-cybering in the arena waiting area), you're not really missing anything. Generally don't even have to get annoyed at people using you as a scape goat saying you're a n00b or loser, and it's your fault the team lost, because 99% of the time, they feel like they have to say it in talk so the other team can hear that it's not their fault they're eating dust.

Pompeyfan · Oct 26, 2005, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Rudeness etc is common in GW, just remember it's someone immature with a low IQ who hides behind their keyboard and who wouldn't have the bottle to say it to your face in real life as they'd get a smack for it.